Engraving Forum.com - The Internet's Largest and Fastest Growing Engraving Community

The Internet's Largest and Fastest Growing Engraving Community
Discuss hand engraving using basic to the most advanced methods and equipment
Forum Members: 14,762. Welcome to our newest member, Katherine
EngravingForum.com - Domain since Feb 7, 2003

Graver Video Conferencing is empty Join now!


Go Back   Engraving Forum.com - The Internet's Largest and Fastest Growing Engraving Community > Forums > Lindsay AirGraver Info - Hand Engraving Forum
ENGRAVING TOOLS - Paypal accepted Classes Glossary Feedback Tips Sharpening Bulino Videos Forum Policies

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 05-17-2014, 11:24 PM
Steve Lindsay's Avatar
Steve Lindsay Steve Lindsay is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Kearney, NE
Posts: 4,555
Default Three new products. Gravers and templates

I am going to try and copy and paste them from the AirGraver "news" page.
http://www.airgraver.com/news.htm


Three new products --

1: Tapered Carbalts
2: "Narrower" template
3: Negative relief template


Tapered CarbaltXD Blanks
Available in the following tapers


Straight
1 Degree
2 Degree
3 Degree


Click photo to enlarge
View the information and tips concerning rigidity and breaking points if using thin graver shanks on the Graver blanks page.
Note: the 3 degree or 2 degree taper is recommended over straight or 1 degree tapers. If new to engraving stick with the 3 degee to keep the rigidity in the shank while learning.
$23 each.
Sold in packs of

five.

Staight

1 Degree

2 Degree

3 Degree

Get three pieces of 3 degree and two pieces 2 degree (total five)

"Narrower" Template Click photo to enlarge
The photo below illustrates three thinning techniques.

Thinning the tip of the blank can be done using this template which fits on the Lindsay sharpening fixture.
Illustrating how the pin can be moved if desired to rotate the grinds 45 degrees to the shank. "Narrower" Template
$8.00
Negative relief 116 Uniform-Parallel graver template.

This template is the same as the normal 116°, but the relief grind under the heel is negative. The purpose of this negative grind is to achieve more heel clearance. This additional relief was described in the
Lindsay Uniform-Parallel patent, but this is the first template made available to actually achieve this point.

This template requires that the height of the grinding lap or bench stone be 3/4" instead of the usual 1/2" seen in all previous templates. I recommend just shimming your 1/2" stones up the last 1/4". The plastic 6"x6" plate included with the full sharpening kit happens to be 1/4", so that can utilized.

A power hone for initially shaping this is helpful. However it can be done with the diamond bench stones. Steve tested how long it would take him to sharpen one from a carbalt blank on the diamond bench stones. It was 15 minutes. Of course starting with a the 3 degree tapered carbalt blank would considerably shorten the time.
Negative Relief Universal Template
Click photo to enlarge


$27.00
__________________
__________________________________
Steve Lindsay
AirGraver.com
EngravingArtist.com
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-17-2014, 11:27 PM
Steve Lindsay's Avatar
Steve Lindsay Steve Lindsay is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Kearney, NE
Posts: 4,555
Default Re: Three new products. Gravers and templates

More copy and paste - Tapered Carbalts




Graver narrowing tips
A long, thin shank can be useful, but there are drawbacks as well.

The bright side is that there is less material to grind away when sharpening, and that the view is less obstructed when engraving.

The disadvantage of a narrow shank is the lack of rigidity. An experienced engraver comes to realize that the object being engraved needs to be held securely in a vise to get the best results. If there is any recoil movement, things get difficult. The metal will seem to cut harder and more broken points will occur. The same principle applies to your cutter. When a long, thin graver is used with a power assisted graver, it will flex or vibrate with the result of power loss and more broken points. A thicker, shanked graver can make noticeably cleaner cuts than the same point on a long, slender shank when used in a power graver. That said, the effect is less pronounced when cutting fine lines.

A means for having a balance of both rigidity and a small tip is a taper rectangle shaped shank (similar to a knife blade). The "Narrower" template works to grind such a shank accurately.

____________
Note: the 3 degree or 2 degree taper is recommended over straight or 1 degree tapers. If new to engraving stick with the 3 degree to keep the rigidity in the shank while learning.
$23 each. Sold in packs of five.


__________________
__________________________________
Steve Lindsay
AirGraver.com
EngravingArtist.com
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-17-2014, 11:30 PM
Steve Lindsay's Avatar
Steve Lindsay Steve Lindsay is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Kearney, NE
Posts: 4,555
Default Re: Three new products. Gravers and templates

Narrower Template --





Illustrating how the pin can be moved if desired to rotate the grinds 45 degrees to the shank.

$8.00



__________
__________________
__________________________________
Steve Lindsay
AirGraver.com
EngravingArtist.com
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-17-2014, 11:38 PM
Steve Lindsay's Avatar
Steve Lindsay Steve Lindsay is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Kearney, NE
Posts: 4,555
Default Re: Three new products. Gravers and templates

Negative relief template with the Universal 116 degree point.




Below photo is from one of the original patent drawings that is at the bottom of the sharpener instructions page. It shows this type of point well. http://www.engravingschool.com/priva...0Sharpener.htm



Negative relief 116 Uniform-Parallel graver template.

This template is the same as the normal 116°, but the relief grind under the heel is negative. The purpose of this negative grind is to achieve more heel clearance. This additional relief was described in the
Lindsay Uniform-Parallel patent, but this is the first template made available to actually achieve this point.

This template requires that the height of the grinding lap or bench stone be 3/4" instead of the usual 1/2" seen in all previous templates. I recommend just shimming your 1/2" stones up the last 1/4". The plastic 6"x6" plate included with the full sharpening kit happens to be 1/4", so that can utilized.

A power hone for initially shaping this is helpful. However it can be done with the diamond bench stones. Steve tested how long it would take him to sharpen one from a carbalt blank on the diamond bench stones. It was 15 minutes. Of course starting with a the 3 degree tapered carbalt blank would considerably shorten the time.
$27.00

__________________
__________________________________
Steve Lindsay
AirGraver.com
EngravingArtist.com
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-18-2014, 04:12 PM
mrthe's Avatar
mrthe mrthe is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Spain
Posts: 1,217
Default Re: Three new products. Gravers and templates

Thank you Steve , great new tools!
__________________
www.mrthehobonickels.com
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-18-2014, 05:08 PM
SVD's Avatar
SVD SVD is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 2,555
Default Re: Three new products. Gravers and templates

Very interesting.

So, the 'Narrower' template has two holes, one for making the blank narrower with the sides parallel to the sides of the blank and one for doing them offset. Looks like you could use both of them on a blank to get a nice, narrow 90 degree traditional graver by just adding the face and heels.
__________________
Enjoy!

Steve :->
(KCSteve in most forums)
SVD's Photo Album
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-19-2014, 11:12 AM
Ray Cover Ray Cover is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Missouri
Posts: 1,419
Send a message via AIM to Ray Cover Send a message via Skype™ to Ray Cover
Default Re: Three new products. Gravers and templates

When are these going to be available in M42?
__________________
Ray Cover
School of Fine Art Engraving

http://learningtoengrave.com/
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-19-2014, 01:29 PM
Steve Lindsay's Avatar
Steve Lindsay Steve Lindsay is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Kearney, NE
Posts: 4,555
Default Re: Three new products. Gravers and templates

Ray, It is in the works along with several other projects.
__________________
__________________________________
Steve Lindsay
AirGraver.com
EngravingArtist.com
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-19-2014, 01:31 PM
mrthe's Avatar
mrthe mrthe is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Spain
Posts: 1,217
Default Re: Three new products. Gravers and templates

You need add another cat assistant XD
__________________
www.mrthehobonickels.com
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-20-2014, 07:44 AM
Toad Toad is offline
Gold
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Vermilion, Ohio
Posts: 123
Default Re: Three new products. Gravers and templates

That is awesome.
Todd
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 05-20-2014, 04:28 PM
Steve Lindsay's Avatar
Steve Lindsay Steve Lindsay is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Kearney, NE
Posts: 4,555
Default Re: Three new products. Gravers and templates

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrthe View Post
You need add another cat assistant XD
I don't think that would help, because Karla has imposed a rule in the shop that if the cat (Natti) jumps on your lap you are not allowed to disturb her. All work stops until she is off your lap and finished purring or napping.
__________________
__________________________________
Steve Lindsay
AirGraver.com
EngravingArtist.com
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 05-20-2014, 04:54 PM
Brian Brian is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Stockton, California & Taxco, Guerrero, Mexico
Posts: 793
Default Re: Three new products. Gravers and templates

Why? Did you "accidentally" drop a sharp pointed object on the cat while it was in your lap last during the last week/month?


Brian
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 05-22-2014, 01:45 PM
mrthe's Avatar
mrthe mrthe is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Spain
Posts: 1,217
Default Re: Three new products. Gravers and templates

Recived the mines today and i really like it, i like narrow my graver for inside ring engraving and hobo nickel carving !
Thank you very much Steve another great template adder to my collection!



__________________
www.mrthehobonickels.com
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 05-22-2014, 01:56 PM
Will Will is offline
Steel
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 34
Default Re: Three new products. Gravers and templates

Mine just got here and are fixin' to get put to some good use.



__________________
"Hope is patience with the lamp lit." - Tertullian
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 05-22-2014, 03:09 PM
SEngraver SEngraver is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: UK.
Posts: 3,484
Default Re: Three new products. Gravers and templates

Hi,

Awesome Mrthe ! Thank you for showing it to us.
I too wish to acquire one.
SE

__________________
Learn from those who know more than you do and teach those who know less than you do. - I.M.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 05-22-2014, 08:59 PM
Cmason16 Cmason16 is offline
Steel
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 36
Default Re: Three new products. Gravers and templates

Ok Steve,

What does the timing on the reversible coin vise look like?

Chuck
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 05-23-2014, 03:45 PM
Steve Lindsay's Avatar
Steve Lindsay Steve Lindsay is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Kearney, NE
Posts: 4,555
Default Re: Three new products. Gravers and templates

Thanks Paolo and Will for taking the good pics!
The holder isn't available yet. There were several versions in the patent application of it, so I am on samples of another to see which is preferred. Shouldn't be long.
__________________
__________________________________
Steve Lindsay
AirGraver.com
EngravingArtist.com
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 07-21-2014, 12:23 PM
tat308 tat308 is offline
Copper
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Hubert, NC
Posts: 5
Default Re: Three new products. Gravers and templates

Good to go....sitting on pins and needles here.... don't have access to a CNC now to experiment with!
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 07-22-2014, 03:40 PM
monk monk is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 828
Default Re: Three new products. Gravers and templates

can the negative relief template be used on a 90 degree blank, or just the 116 ?
btw-- the cat needs a new name-- nappy, or even catnappy.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 07-23-2014, 12:15 AM
Steve Lindsay's Avatar
Steve Lindsay Steve Lindsay is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Kearney, NE
Posts: 4,555
Default Re: Three new products. Gravers and templates

Hi Monk, So far the negative relief is for the universal. You're right Catnappy would match her well! hehe
__________________
__________________________________
Steve Lindsay
AirGraver.com
EngravingArtist.com
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 07-23-2014, 02:15 PM
davidonthebeach's Avatar
davidonthebeach davidonthebeach is offline
Gold
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Santa Barbara, California
Posts: 153
Default Re: Three new products. Gravers and templates

I just received the Negative Universal template from Steve and I sharpened my first graver with it. So far so good! It seems obvious to me especially on small letters such as an "s" that the heel drag is pretty much eliminated. I will admit that sharpening seemed a lot different and a bit harder than the usual way but I will probably get used to that. The 1/4" shim that Steve sent works just fine. I was hoping that maybe others have also tried it out and can share any tips or tricks they have learned with it and what they might see as the pros and cons of using this negative template? Steve? Thanks!
__________________
Best regards,
David
http://dsengraver.com
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Conduct
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:06 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.